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		<title>Comment on w: That explains the explosion in water retension by linda@water retention</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda@water retention</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I saw your post. It&#039;s true coffee is a strong diuretic (alcohol is too). If you don&#039;t also drink a lot of water everyday you risk getting dehydrated if you consume too many diuretic substances. I get a lot of people contacting me who have been taking diuretics for years and now cannot come off them because they swell up so badly with water retention as soon as each pill wears off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I saw your post. It&#8217;s true coffee is a strong diuretic (alcohol is too). If you don&#8217;t also drink a lot of water everyday you risk getting dehydrated if you consume too many diuretic substances. I get a lot of people contacting me who have been taking diuretics for years and now cannot come off them because they swell up so badly with water retention as soon as each pill wears off.</p>
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		<title>Comment on cb: To Dry or Not To Dry, or Clotheslined by the Homeowners Assoc. by Bruno Menning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno Menning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all the damage that we are doing to this earth I am not sure how much longer it will go forward, I think we should do more to help and stop consuming all its natural resources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the damage that we are doing to this earth I am not sure how much longer it will go forward, I think we should do more to help and stop consuming all its natural resources.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Peak Oil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand that peak oil is true and that we are now past the point of peak oil.  I understand many of the current events have to do with this understanding and it won&#039;t be long before the main stream media and population wake up and understand what is going on. For me and my family, we are preparing for the next generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that peak oil is true and that we are now past the point of peak oil.  I understand many of the current events have to do with this understanding and it won&#8217;t be long before the main stream media and population wake up and understand what is going on. For me and my family, we are preparing for the next generation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rant: Farrowing crates in California by Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jayme, thanks for visiting.

It has been near 40 years since I left high school, and Dad&#039;s hog farm.  He used about 10 Pride of the Farm crates, and 6 if another brand.  We cemented in the floor of the building to clean between bunches, and fumigated each time we emptied the building - took up the crates, hosed them off, cleaned, and fumigated.  We hung 2&quot; styrofoam for a suspended ceiling, and paneled over the walls with light plywood.  Heat was a propane heater, but never really warm.  

The crates used 1x12 floor boards, both to keep the crate in place , and to keep the sow off the cement floor.  The sides of the sow part were high and low rails, with vertical pickets.  The pickets weren&#039;t particularly close together, maybe 6&quot; space?  The rails weren&#039;t adjustable.   The top rail was about 36&quot;, the bottom about 7-9&quot; somewhere.  The crate was about 6 foot long.  

The frame in front and behind the sow on the Pride of the Farm had a peak in the center of the top.  Rails ran near the top from front to back, so a sow could not rear up and flip over, or climb out of the crate.  The other brand crates had a removable rack that clamped onto the top side rails for a sow that was anxious, fighting the crate, etc.

The door on the pride of the farm was a removable hatch, a wire panel on a frame made of the same pipe as the rest of the frame; it had a low cross-bar longer than the door was wide that dropped into clips mounted about the same height as the bottom side rails, so the door tilted back to open.  There was a sliding latch on the door to clip over the crate frame, to hold the door in place.  The other crates had a side-hinged door.  

The Pride of the Farm crates let the sow back all the way up to the back door.  We stuck a 2x4 through the last picket, to hold her 6 inches from the door.  This reduced wear on the door, and kept her from trying to farrow while mashing her back end against something solid.  The other crates had a 2&quot; band of heavy steel, formed into a squared bumper, fastened to the door, for the same reason.

Both crates used 2&quot; spaced 1/4&quot; pickets for the front panel, with cross bars.  The Pride of the Farm might have use a 1&quot; top and bottom band, and 1/8&quot; or 3/16&quot; pickets.

The crates were made to bolt together in a series.  Between the sow parts was a front and back panel to keep the pigs in.  That might have been 24 or 30 inches high, but not as tall as the side panels in the crate, I don&#039;t think.  Too low, though, might invite the sow to jump into the side part.

We put a 1x10 or 1x12 for a divider between crates, with another 6 inch board on time, I think.  These boards helped block breezes, and gave a place to hang baby pig waterers and feeders.  We usually hung a heat lamp, infrared, with real heat lamp fixtures (ceramic sockets) intended for 250 watt bulbs.  When born, the lamp hung fairly low, and we raised it as they got older, needed less heat, and got big enough to bang the light around.  We used wood shavings for bedding for the pigs, for preference, straw or ground corn cobs if we had to.  Usually the shavings had less dust.

Dad turned the sows out together for an hour, morning and night, pushed them outside, fed them in a trough or at a self-feeder, and automatic waterer.  I think much of PETA&#039;s griping is about the people that install waterers and feeders in the crate, then don&#039;t have to turn the sow out at all until the pigs are ready to wean.

Except in winter, Dad pastured his hogs.  The constant exercise and grass (alfalfa) with his feeding program usually got pigs to market quickly at good weight.  One bunch was 5 months, 2 days.  Our of 120 or so, maybe 40 were estimated 180 pounds or more.  D  That batch, like most of the hogs Dad sold, graded really well, about $1.50 a hundred weight, sold yield and grade.  A half dozen went from 220 to 250.  We didn&#039;t have any pets, usually, but the pigs were well cared for.  Our neighbors thought Dad silly, giving up alfalfa ground (10-15 acres) for hog pasture.  But the hogs did well.  We rotated the pasture every two years.  Either put up fence in the spring, or take it down in the fall.  Again, the rotation was manage disease, and the pasture was part of the crop rotation on the 1/4 section family farm.

Dad left a radio playing quietly in the hog house.  A talk radio station from Yankton, South Dakota, I think.  When we checked the pigs before going to bed, in case one started farrowing, the only light was the heat lamps, and mostly no noise except the hogs breathing.  With the shavings for the baby pigs, it was one peaceful scene.  Usually, just keeping reasonably quiet was enough, that we could slip in, look around, and leave - without disturbing any of them.

Dad kept a clip board, recording date of farrowing, the crate number, number of pigs.  And marked off any losses.  Since we had crates on either side of the wide (maybe 10-12 foot) central aisle, he numbered the sows on the north side with red paint, and green on the south.  The number was sprayed on with a spray can, in big numbers, over the lower back.  That way you could mark her while she stood in her crate, you could put the right sow back in the right crate where her litter waited.  Most sows quickly learned which crate was hers, after an hour outside most were ready for some heavy duty nursing, and would bark to be let back into the crate.

We farrowed three times a year, and kept sows for two years.  We sold the older sows off before they got *big* adult size - the thinking was they would eat more to maintain weight, and wouldn&#039;t produce any healthier pigs, or more, than a young gilt.  Dad rotated breeds, always used purebred stock - Duroc, Spotted Poland China, Chester White, Hampshire - were the ones he usually used, depending on what characteristics he wanted to see in the next litters.  We kept gilts back when getting ready to turn over the older sows.

Back to the farrowing crates.  You might check for TSC catalogs to see of you can find one, or your feed store - or ask around, if someone is using crates you can look at that you could take some pictures and measurements.

I did a Google search on &quot;farrowing crate&quot; - there seem to be a number of brands and sources.  Check those, too, for specifications, dimensions, and illustrations.

The crates I have seen were steel.  A hog can be a very strong critter when they get irritated or anxious, such as their first time in a crate.  I imagine you could make one of wood, but you would have to be pretty careful about strength and how you fasten it together.  I suppose you could use 2x4 pickets for the side panels, with 1/4&quot; carriage bolts, but that would provide less air flow around the sow and pigs.  And  a reasonable amount of air flow helps keep down ammonia, and suppresses many diseases.  

Luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayme, thanks for visiting.</p>
<p>It has been near 40 years since I left high school, and Dad&#8217;s hog farm.  He used about 10 Pride of the Farm crates, and 6 if another brand.  We cemented in the floor of the building to clean between bunches, and fumigated each time we emptied the building &#8211; took up the crates, hosed them off, cleaned, and fumigated.  We hung 2&#8243; styrofoam for a suspended ceiling, and paneled over the walls with light plywood.  Heat was a propane heater, but never really warm.  </p>
<p>The crates used 1&#215;12 floor boards, both to keep the crate in place , and to keep the sow off the cement floor.  The sides of the sow part were high and low rails, with vertical pickets.  The pickets weren&#8217;t particularly close together, maybe 6&#8243; space?  The rails weren&#8217;t adjustable.   The top rail was about 36&#8243;, the bottom about 7-9&#8243; somewhere.  The crate was about 6 foot long.  </p>
<p>The frame in front and behind the sow on the Pride of the Farm had a peak in the center of the top.  Rails ran near the top from front to back, so a sow could not rear up and flip over, or climb out of the crate.  The other brand crates had a removable rack that clamped onto the top side rails for a sow that was anxious, fighting the crate, etc.</p>
<p>The door on the pride of the farm was a removable hatch, a wire panel on a frame made of the same pipe as the rest of the frame; it had a low cross-bar longer than the door was wide that dropped into clips mounted about the same height as the bottom side rails, so the door tilted back to open.  There was a sliding latch on the door to clip over the crate frame, to hold the door in place.  The other crates had a side-hinged door.  </p>
<p>The Pride of the Farm crates let the sow back all the way up to the back door.  We stuck a 2&#215;4 through the last picket, to hold her 6 inches from the door.  This reduced wear on the door, and kept her from trying to farrow while mashing her back end against something solid.  The other crates had a 2&#8243; band of heavy steel, formed into a squared bumper, fastened to the door, for the same reason.</p>
<p>Both crates used 2&#8243; spaced 1/4&#8243; pickets for the front panel, with cross bars.  The Pride of the Farm might have use a 1&#8243; top and bottom band, and 1/8&#8243; or 3/16&#8243; pickets.</p>
<p>The crates were made to bolt together in a series.  Between the sow parts was a front and back panel to keep the pigs in.  That might have been 24 or 30 inches high, but not as tall as the side panels in the crate, I don&#8217;t think.  Too low, though, might invite the sow to jump into the side part.</p>
<p>We put a 1&#215;10 or 1&#215;12 for a divider between crates, with another 6 inch board on time, I think.  These boards helped block breezes, and gave a place to hang baby pig waterers and feeders.  We usually hung a heat lamp, infrared, with real heat lamp fixtures (ceramic sockets) intended for 250 watt bulbs.  When born, the lamp hung fairly low, and we raised it as they got older, needed less heat, and got big enough to bang the light around.  We used wood shavings for bedding for the pigs, for preference, straw or ground corn cobs if we had to.  Usually the shavings had less dust.</p>
<p>Dad turned the sows out together for an hour, morning and night, pushed them outside, fed them in a trough or at a self-feeder, and automatic waterer.  I think much of PETA&#8217;s griping is about the people that install waterers and feeders in the crate, then don&#8217;t have to turn the sow out at all until the pigs are ready to wean.</p>
<p>Except in winter, Dad pastured his hogs.  The constant exercise and grass (alfalfa) with his feeding program usually got pigs to market quickly at good weight.  One bunch was 5 months, 2 days.  Our of 120 or so, maybe 40 were estimated 180 pounds or more.  D  That batch, like most of the hogs Dad sold, graded really well, about $1.50 a hundred weight, sold yield and grade.  A half dozen went from 220 to 250.  We didn&#8217;t have any pets, usually, but the pigs were well cared for.  Our neighbors thought Dad silly, giving up alfalfa ground (10-15 acres) for hog pasture.  But the hogs did well.  We rotated the pasture every two years.  Either put up fence in the spring, or take it down in the fall.  Again, the rotation was manage disease, and the pasture was part of the crop rotation on the 1/4 section family farm.</p>
<p>Dad left a radio playing quietly in the hog house.  A talk radio station from Yankton, South Dakota, I think.  When we checked the pigs before going to bed, in case one started farrowing, the only light was the heat lamps, and mostly no noise except the hogs breathing.  With the shavings for the baby pigs, it was one peaceful scene.  Usually, just keeping reasonably quiet was enough, that we could slip in, look around, and leave &#8211; without disturbing any of them.</p>
<p>Dad kept a clip board, recording date of farrowing, the crate number, number of pigs.  And marked off any losses.  Since we had crates on either side of the wide (maybe 10-12 foot) central aisle, he numbered the sows on the north side with red paint, and green on the south.  The number was sprayed on with a spray can, in big numbers, over the lower back.  That way you could mark her while she stood in her crate, you could put the right sow back in the right crate where her litter waited.  Most sows quickly learned which crate was hers, after an hour outside most were ready for some heavy duty nursing, and would bark to be let back into the crate.</p>
<p>We farrowed three times a year, and kept sows for two years.  We sold the older sows off before they got *big* adult size &#8211; the thinking was they would eat more to maintain weight, and wouldn&#8217;t produce any healthier pigs, or more, than a young gilt.  Dad rotated breeds, always used purebred stock &#8211; Duroc, Spotted Poland China, Chester White, Hampshire &#8211; were the ones he usually used, depending on what characteristics he wanted to see in the next litters.  We kept gilts back when getting ready to turn over the older sows.</p>
<p>Back to the farrowing crates.  You might check for TSC catalogs to see of you can find one, or your feed store &#8211; or ask around, if someone is using crates you can look at that you could take some pictures and measurements.</p>
<p>I did a Google search on &#8220;farrowing crate&#8221; &#8211; there seem to be a number of brands and sources.  Check those, too, for specifications, dimensions, and illustrations.</p>
<p>The crates I have seen were steel.  A hog can be a very strong critter when they get irritated or anxious, such as their first time in a crate.  I imagine you could make one of wood, but you would have to be pretty careful about strength and how you fasten it together.  I suppose you could use 2&#215;4 pickets for the side panels, with 1/4&#8243; carriage bolts, but that would provide less air flow around the sow and pigs.  And  a reasonable amount of air flow helps keep down ammonia, and suppresses many diseases.  </p>
<p>Luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rant: Farrowing crates in California by Jayme Abraham</title>
		<link>http://www.draftresource.com/mytake/2008/11/05/rant-farrowing-crates-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayme Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been on the internet looking for a design to build a farrowing crate.  W have a small barn in which I want to build a crate for my pigs I have three whom are due to farrow soon.  I have watched some of the videos and seen alot of the information on the internet about pig farms.  I do not agree with animal cruelty but also like to eat meat.  PETA People for the ethical treatment of animals doesn&#039;t want people to own animals they want all animals freed and for no one to enslave animals...  Well I believe and am teaching my children that god put these animals here for our use...  We raise pigs, chickens, goats, sheep and cows.  My children are tough to raise our animals with care an compassion.  My daughters pig for 4-H developed a hernia right before fair and we had to have him butchered.  My husband felt bad because when I brought him off the trailer he came to his name and followed me into the chute to be killed.  He had no clue about what was going to happen.  I patted him on the back and told him I would pick him up in a few weeks.  When I came back he was wrapped in nice little white packages..   Well every time that we eat bacon we remember Pea who gave his life in order for us to have life...  Pea would have died due to his hernia we had him to the vet and the gut was twisted.  His sisters molly and Margret are going to have babies now one next week and one in April.   So life goes on and we will eat some of there babies!!!!  Will some of the babies die maybe if I can not get a crate built in time....  Because pigs lay on there babies.  They are so large they can not figure out where all the babies are and lay down on them there body mass is so large that they crush them....  Hence the farrowing crate to protect the babies and give them some place safe to be.  I am sure that if Molly has her babies in the barn with the rest of the pigs,  some of them would be eaten by the other pigs or would be lost in the 3 feet of snow in their yard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been on the internet looking for a design to build a farrowing crate.  W have a small barn in which I want to build a crate for my pigs I have three whom are due to farrow soon.  I have watched some of the videos and seen alot of the information on the internet about pig farms.  I do not agree with animal cruelty but also like to eat meat.  PETA People for the ethical treatment of animals doesn&#8217;t want people to own animals they want all animals freed and for no one to enslave animals&#8230;  Well I believe and am teaching my children that god put these animals here for our use&#8230;  We raise pigs, chickens, goats, sheep and cows.  My children are tough to raise our animals with care an compassion.  My daughters pig for 4-H developed a hernia right before fair and we had to have him butchered.  My husband felt bad because when I brought him off the trailer he came to his name and followed me into the chute to be killed.  He had no clue about what was going to happen.  I patted him on the back and told him I would pick him up in a few weeks.  When I came back he was wrapped in nice little white packages..   Well every time that we eat bacon we remember Pea who gave his life in order for us to have life&#8230;  Pea would have died due to his hernia we had him to the vet and the gut was twisted.  His sisters molly and Margret are going to have babies now one next week and one in April.   So life goes on and we will eat some of there babies!!!!  Will some of the babies die maybe if I can not get a crate built in time&#8230;.  Because pigs lay on there babies.  They are so large they can not figure out where all the babies are and lay down on them there body mass is so large that they crush them&#8230;.  Hence the farrowing crate to protect the babies and give them some place safe to be.  I am sure that if Molly has her babies in the barn with the rest of the pigs,  some of them would be eaten by the other pigs or would be lost in the 3 feet of snow in their yard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unheated stock tank, in the southern great plains by Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple Jack Creek - Thanks for visiting!

I worried a lot about the fish the first couple of winters.

I read a bit about pond fish.  I got some goldfish food, pond type, and fed the fish every so often the first year, a couple times a week usually.  Then it got to be less regular.  But the book said to stop feeding in late fall when the water turns cold for the winter.  These last couple of years I haven&#039;t fed but two or three times, total.  It doesn&#039;t seem to matter.

I don&#039;t use a tank heater.  The tank is 2 feet deep, and in longer cold snaps the ice may get 4-7 inches thick.  The pony (and cats, once the tank freezes over) drinking, and my opening the hole, seems to be all the fish need to tolerate the winter.  Goldfish are members of the carp family, rough fish.  I don&#039;t believe it hurts them if the water freezes solid about them.  Certainly, they tolerate swimming under the ice well - a form of hibernation.

My neighbor uses a tank heater, and the fish stay active even with a skim of ice around the edges.  He has 12 calves, 2 llamas, and 9 pygmy goats drinking from the tank - there is plenty of debris (backwash) from the drinkers, apparently, to meet any nutritional needs of the fish.

Just like any water tank - the point is to keep the water from smelling sour.  In summer the tank often gets green, and maybe even strands of algae show up.  But a couple cloudy days sets back the algae growth, and the fish catch up.  The water may be green with suspended small algae, but still smells fresh.  When the smell turns, or a fish dies, it is (past!) time to siphon the muck off the bottom along with 1/4 the water.  You don&#039;t want the tank too clean, or change all the water (that is when I lose fish, just like with the aquarium), so letting the tank run over too long so you flush the whole tank a time or three, is the major problem.

I treat the fish just like I was putting them in an aquarium.  Bring them home in their store-bag, and lay the bag, intact, in the tank.  After a half hour the water in the bag and in the tank is well-synchronized for temperature.  Then I gently open the bag, and use my hand like a slotted spoon to scoop the fish out of the water, and lay my hand on the top of the tank, and ease my hand down, to ease the fish into the tank.  With an aquarium there is a concern that water from the store tank might carry some illness home, that would nail the fish already in your tank.  This reduces that risk a bunch.  I do it with the stock tank .. because it won&#039;t hurt anything.

Note that the bright sunlight will keep the fish from getting very colorful, as will the all-algae diet.  If you want to see more colorful fish, I guess you could put a partial cover over the tank (which also retains heat, keeps down dust and dirt, etc.).

Domestic animals get used to the darndest things.  I can&#039;t imagine fish in the water tank would be any stranger than watching us stick a hose in, or hear a float let go.

Luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple Jack Creek &#8211; Thanks for visiting!</p>
<p>I worried a lot about the fish the first couple of winters.</p>
<p>I read a bit about pond fish.  I got some goldfish food, pond type, and fed the fish every so often the first year, a couple times a week usually.  Then it got to be less regular.  But the book said to stop feeding in late fall when the water turns cold for the winter.  These last couple of years I haven&#8217;t fed but two or three times, total.  It doesn&#8217;t seem to matter.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use a tank heater.  The tank is 2 feet deep, and in longer cold snaps the ice may get 4-7 inches thick.  The pony (and cats, once the tank freezes over) drinking, and my opening the hole, seems to be all the fish need to tolerate the winter.  Goldfish are members of the carp family, rough fish.  I don&#8217;t believe it hurts them if the water freezes solid about them.  Certainly, they tolerate swimming under the ice well &#8211; a form of hibernation.</p>
<p>My neighbor uses a tank heater, and the fish stay active even with a skim of ice around the edges.  He has 12 calves, 2 llamas, and 9 pygmy goats drinking from the tank &#8211; there is plenty of debris (backwash) from the drinkers, apparently, to meet any nutritional needs of the fish.</p>
<p>Just like any water tank &#8211; the point is to keep the water from smelling sour.  In summer the tank often gets green, and maybe even strands of algae show up.  But a couple cloudy days sets back the algae growth, and the fish catch up.  The water may be green with suspended small algae, but still smells fresh.  When the smell turns, or a fish dies, it is (past!) time to siphon the muck off the bottom along with 1/4 the water.  You don&#8217;t want the tank too clean, or change all the water (that is when I lose fish, just like with the aquarium), so letting the tank run over too long so you flush the whole tank a time or three, is the major problem.</p>
<p>I treat the fish just like I was putting them in an aquarium.  Bring them home in their store-bag, and lay the bag, intact, in the tank.  After a half hour the water in the bag and in the tank is well-synchronized for temperature.  Then I gently open the bag, and use my hand like a slotted spoon to scoop the fish out of the water, and lay my hand on the top of the tank, and ease my hand down, to ease the fish into the tank.  With an aquarium there is a concern that water from the store tank might carry some illness home, that would nail the fish already in your tank.  This reduces that risk a bunch.  I do it with the stock tank .. because it won&#8217;t hurt anything.</p>
<p>Note that the bright sunlight will keep the fish from getting very colorful, as will the all-algae diet.  If you want to see more colorful fish, I guess you could put a partial cover over the tank (which also retains heat, keeps down dust and dirt, etc.).</p>
<p>Domestic animals get used to the darndest things.  I can&#8217;t imagine fish in the water tank would be any stranger than watching us stick a hose in, or hear a float let go.</p>
<p>Luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unheated stock tank, in the southern great plains by Apple Jack Creek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple Jack Creek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goldfish in the stock tank! Oh my goodness, why didn&#039;t I think of that?! The tank gets absolutely disgusting in the summer ... that would work wonders, I am sure. I wonder if the sheep would care if there were little yellow fish darting around in their water. Probably not, eh?

Do you have any idea if this works during the winter in somewhere realy cold? It&#039;s -25C outside now (really, really cold in Farenheit :D) and it&#039;ll be like that for weeks. We do have a tank heater in which keeps the water from freezing, although I don&#039;t think it keeps it particularly *warm*. 

Then again, there are no algae in the winter, so I suppose the fish could be brought in the house for the winter, and returned to the tank in spring. Hmmm.

What a great idea! My son would love a reduced-algae water trough ... he hates scrubbing it out. :) Thank you for sharing! (I actually saw your note on Sharon&#039;s blog and followed over from there ... thanks!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldfish in the stock tank! Oh my goodness, why didn&#8217;t I think of that?! The tank gets absolutely disgusting in the summer &#8230; that would work wonders, I am sure. I wonder if the sheep would care if there were little yellow fish darting around in their water. Probably not, eh?</p>
<p>Do you have any idea if this works during the winter in somewhere realy cold? It&#8217;s -25C outside now (really, really cold in Farenheit <img src='http://www.draftresource.com/mytake/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ) and it&#8217;ll be like that for weeks. We do have a tank heater in which keeps the water from freezing, although I don&#8217;t think it keeps it particularly *warm*. </p>
<p>Then again, there are no algae in the winter, so I suppose the fish could be brought in the house for the winter, and returned to the tank in spring. Hmmm.</p>
<p>What a great idea! My son would love a reduced-algae water trough &#8230; he hates scrubbing it out. <img src='http://www.draftresource.com/mytake/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thank you for sharing! (I actually saw your note on Sharon&#8217;s blog and followed over from there &#8230; thanks!)</p>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michelle - thanks for asking.  The song is #2 in this book, &quot;Words from Penn. Military College&quot; and &quot;U. S. Army Bugle Call&quot;.  bk

1) 
  Fading light / dims the sight,
  And a star / gems the sky, / gleam - ing bright,
  From a - far / draw - ing nigh,
  Falls the night.

2)
  Dear one rest! / In the west
  Sable night / lulls the day / on her breast;
  Sweet good - night! / Now a - way,
  To thy rest.

3) 
  Love, sweet dreams! / Lo, the beams
  Of the light / fairy moon / kiss the streams; 
  Love, good - night! / Ah, too soon!
  Peace - ful Dreams!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle &#8211; thanks for asking.  The song is #2 in this book, &#8220;Words from Penn. Military College&#8221; and &#8220;U. S. Army Bugle Call&#8221;.  bk</p>
<p>1)<br />
  Fading light / dims the sight,<br />
  And a star / gems the sky, / gleam &#8211; ing bright,<br />
  From a &#8211; far / draw &#8211; ing nigh,<br />
  Falls the night.</p>
<p>2)<br />
  Dear one rest! / In the west<br />
  Sable night / lulls the day / on her breast;<br />
  Sweet good &#8211; night! / Now a &#8211; way,<br />
  To thy rest.</p>
<p>3)<br />
  Love, sweet dreams! / Lo, the beams<br />
  Of the light / fairy moon / kiss the streams;<br />
  Love, good &#8211; night! / Ah, too soon!<br />
  Peace &#8211; ful Dreams!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Brad - could you please email me the three verses of Taps? I only know the words to the first verse. As a veteran, and as the mother of four little ones, I&#039;d like to be able to teach it all to them. Cheers, Michelle gardengirlgarden@yahoo.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brad &#8211; could you please email me the three verses of Taps? I only know the words to the first verse. As a veteran, and as the mother of four little ones, I&#8217;d like to be able to teach it all to them. Cheers, Michelle <a href="mailto:gardengirlgarden@yahoo.com">gardengirlgarden@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on PO: Raw grain by Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I noticed Shelf Reliance is having a sale on wheat grinders right now....only through 9/28.

Here is the link:

http://shelfreliance.com/search?q=grinder]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed Shelf Reliance is having a sale on wheat grinders right now&#8230;.only through 9/28.</p>
<p>Here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://shelfreliance.com/search?q=grinder" rel="nofollow">http://shelfreliance.com/search?q=grinder</a></p>
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